5/1/2014: Warhammer 40K: Chaos Space Marines vs Space Marines.

This match took place in Titan Games in Stourbridge between me and my opponent who is also called Matt. I had Chaos Space Marines, Matt had Space Marines, and we played a 1500 point game.

Now I'm going to say straight off the bat that this one ended in a draw due to time-out after the 3rd turn out of potentially 7 (the shop was closing.) Matt had the advantage on victory points and the game had the potential to turn into a complete bloodbath, but he's a really nice guy and was gracious enough to call it a draw. As the game did not have time to reach its conclusion, it won't be the usual blow-by-blow account. Instead, I'm going to comment on some of the new 6th edition codex rules that we came across, and how they affected the game.

This might just get even more nerdy than usual...

First of all, here was my army:

	Components	Points	Total Points	Total Army
HQ	Chaos Lord	65	130	1498
	Aura of Dark Glory	15
	Axe of Blind Fury	35
	Veterans of the Long War	5
	Mark of Khorne	10
	Chaos Lord	65	135
	Aura of Dark Glory	15
	Jump Pack	15
	Lightning Claw (2)	30
	Mark of Slaanesh	10
Troops	Khorne Bezerkers (8)	162	284
	Chainaxe (4)	12
	Gift of Mutation	10
	Veterans of the Long War	8
	Icon of Wrath	15
	Power Weapon	15
	Plasma Pistol	15
	Chaos Rhino	35
	Havoc Launcher	12
	Khorne Bezerkers (8)	162	237
	Chainaxe (4)	12
	Gift of Mutation	10
	Veterans of the Long War	8
	Icon of Wrath	15
	Power Weapon	15
	Plasma Pistol	15
	Chaos Space Marines (6)	88	191
	Lightning Claw (2)	30
	Close Combat Weapon (5)	10
	Plasma Gun	15
	Veterans of the Long War	6
	Icon of Excess	30
	Mark of Slaanesh	12
Fast Attack	Raptors (6)	112	164
	Meltagun (2)	20
	Plasma Pistol	15
	Melta Bombs	5
	Mark of Slaanesh (6)	12
Heavy Support	Chaos Defiler	195	200
	Havoc Launcher	5
	Chaos Vindicator	120	157
	Siege Shield	10
	Havoc Launcher	12
	Daemonic Possession	15

A curious amalgamation of Khorne and Slaanesh, but there is a reason for this: I don't really have one big army (or at least, not one that's any good,) so instead of that I have about 8 different small armies across Games Workshop's games. This is because I get fed up with painting the same thing over and over again, and want to move on to something new. This means I could start an army every 10 minutes, and about half of them would be Chaos. Having painted a few new pieces for my Khorne army, I found that I actually had enough of each army to form a reasonable force, so that's how I got it up to 1500 points.

So here's what we came across:

Space Marines: Combat Squads

The rule in the Space Marines Codex that allows full-strength Space Marine squads to split in to two squads was first introduced in 5th edition. It's still fundamentally the same rule but with one difference: You can now only do this at the start of the game before rolling for your Warlord Traits. This means you can now no longer do it once the game is underway.

If I remember rightly, this was more or less the case before anyway (A note here: When I played Space Marines in 5th Edition, I used Salamanders, who couldn't use the Combat Squad rules because it came under Ultramarines Chapter Tactics.) But the difference here is that now that the Warlord Traits can sometimes affect the way the army is deployed, the squads have to be split first if they are going to divide into combat squads. Which is fair enough. Matt actually forgot to do it, but I let him have it anyway; there's no point being a dick when we're just getting used to the new rules. But by the same token, I forgot to roll for my Gifts of Mutation at the start of the game and he let me have that. It's amazing what you can do with a kind word!

Chaos Space Marines: Daemonic Possession

This rule in the Chaos Space Marines Codex affects vehicles, and is nothing new, being in operation at least as far back as the 4th edition Codex. However, it now works slightly differently for the new edition of the game: You now have to roll 2+ on a dice to ignore Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned on the Vehicle Damage Table. As the table is now only applied on a penetrating hit, this will come up a lot less, which I'm presuming is the reason for the reduction in points from 20 to 15. It still reduces the Ballistic Skill of the relevant vehicle to 3.

There is also another nasty twist: If the vehicle is a transport unit, then you have to roll 1D6 when the unit embarks. If you get a 1, it eats one of the passengers that embarks on it. It can recover a hull point if it does this, but given the cost of even the most basic Chaos Space Marine, losing even one of them will hurt.

As you can see from my army list, Daemonic Possession affected both the Vindicator and the Defiler (the latter by default.) Did it help? No. Quite the reverse, actually. My Vindicator got shot a lot but the most Matt was able to do was glance it, so the benefit of the rule never actually applied. On the other hand, it did make my scatter launches less accurate, and I remember at least one occasion where the target Dreadnought was missed by 1 inch - the inch I wouldn't have lost if I hadn't put Daemonic Possession on it.

Ironically, the rule would have been better employed on the Rhino. This did get a Crew Stunned result, which wouldn't have bothered me except that the squad within can't then charge into combat. Removing the passengers from the Rhino would have left them in open ground with nowhere to go because the Rhino couldn't get out of their way (it was rather dense terrain!)

Chaos Space Marines: Champion of Chaos

The Challenge rule has been in Warhammer for some time and was bought to 40K in the 6th edition. It's quite a nice addition to the game and can make for some thematic battles. It's also a pretty good way of making sure your squad sticks around to take the combat in to multiple rounds; the challenge has no affect on the rest of the combat so assuming your guy survives and passes his leadership check, he can force the combat to carry on into the next turn. This is a good tactic when contesting an objective!

Of course, Chaos have their own spin on this: The Champion must issue and accept a challenge wherever possible, and if he wins, gets to roll on the Chaos Boon table (which I won't go in to for this game as it never came up.) Of course, there's nothing the Dark Gods like better than watching their champions go at it in single combat.

It's a good thematic rule but one that can lead to some trouble if you're not careful. Apart from anything else, the champion may very well end up entirely out of his depth if he happens to challenge, say, a Librarian, or an Eldar Exarch, or even an Ork Warboss. Also, even if he wins, it might not help matters all that much, because the efforts of the Champion would have been better spent on the actual combat.

In this particular case, my squad of 6 Chaos Space Marines was charged by a 5-strong squad of Vanguard Veterans armed to the teeth. I took one out in Overwatch - another good new rule, by the way - and then issued the challenge. As the squad was only 5 men strong, the Veteran Sergeant couldn't have refused even if he'd wanted to, and because my Champion had both the Mark of Slaanesh and a pair of Lightning Claws, he took the Sergeant out very quickly. The remaining Chaos Space Marines took out another Vanguard Veteran... and then the two remaining Vanguard Veterans killed 4 Chaos Space Marines, causing them to lose combat.

And no matter what happened in the challenge, surviving it won't protect you from Sweeping Advance...

Which brings me on to the final rule, which should have come up, but didn't:

The Icon of Excess

This is a new rule that you can only give to squads who have the Mark of Slaanesh. It gives the unit Feel No Pain, which isn't quite as good in 6th edition as it was in 5th, but still useful.

You'll see on the army list that I gave The Icon of Excess to the unit of Chaos Space Marines with the mark of Slaanesh, which was involved in the close combat mentioned above. Unfortunately I forgot to do it, which meant that some of the Chaos Marines who died could potentially have survived the onslaught of the two Vanguard Veterans. I'd still have failed the leadership check if I'd lost (I rolled 11) but if I'd made a couple of saves it wouldn't necessarily have come to that.

So, that's what I think of the new rules that came up in the game. As it's technically a draw but the match didn't reach the conclusion we were looking for, a re-match is on the cards, but some scheduling issues means that I have no idea when this is going to happen.

See you all next time!

My Thoughts on the New Chaos Space Marines now that I've actually got the codex...

I've got Dave to thank for this 'cause he bought me the book as a belated birthday present, and now I'm all excited about doing Chaos again. I registered my concerns in the previous blog about the changes to the rules that would no doubt come with the book, and now that I've been reading it a little while here's my opinions on some of them:

1) They've got rid of Summoned Daemons

OK let's get the easy one out of the way first: In the old rules I think going back as far as 3rd edition you used to be able to summon a unit of Daemons from one of your Chaos Space Marine units, or summon a Greater Daemon by having it possess one of your characters. I guess it worked at the time, but it wasn't a popular move to make once Chaos Daemons became an army in their own right, and with the new rules for Allies in 6th Edition meaning you can field both armies at the same time, the ability to summon Daemons is pretty much meaningless anyway. The fact that in 4th edition the summoned Daemons would be significantly weaker than their codex couterparts wouldn't have helped. Overall it's not a rule I'm particularly sorry to lose.

2) Bezerkers et al back to Elite

What's happened here is that the Khorne Bezerkers, Noise Marines, Plague Marines and Thousand Sons are now Elite choices. Now if I remember rightly this was the case in 3rd edition as well, though if your commander had the mark of the relevant God, you would get one of them as troops choices. So, for example, if you had a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Slaanesh, you would be able to take Noise Marines - but not the others - as troops choices. In 4th edition they cut out the middle man and allowed you to take all 4 as Troops Choices, no matter what your commander was doing, and this lead to some pretty nasty tournament combos, so for balancing issues and also to remind us that there are actually Chaos Space Marines in the Chaos Space Marine Army, they've been put back up to Elite. They've also still got the option of taking the leader with the mark of the relevant god to put them back down to Troops Choices, plus the same rule applies if you take the relevant special character. Kharn the Betrayer, for example, would bring Khorne Bezerkers back to Troops choices.

For some reason, you can't do that with the Daemon Prince. Even though you HAVE to take a Daemon Prince of one of the Chaos Gods, which confers its own benefits, you can't take the relevant units as troops choices. I guess that would represent the idea that if a Champion of Chaos has made it as far as being a Daemon Prince, he'd have to be a lot less near-sighted than refusing to take anything but the units of your own Gods. And also, the Daemon Prince is a LOT more powerful in this new edition. Armies would be horribly unbalanced if they were then allowed to take, say, Bezerkers as Troops choices...

3) Wargear

There have been quite a few changes to the equipment that are going to affect my army lists quite a bit. Here's a selection of them:

• Daemon Weapons: Not sure what's happening with these at the moment. They work in pretty much the same way as they did in 4th edition, though there is no option to take it as a Daemon Weapon with the mark of the Chaos Gods in order to increase its potency and inherent risks. My problem is that there seems to be no way to give a Daemon Weapon to anybody other than Abbadon the Despoiler. They don't appear in the Wargear section as an option; am I missing something here? This means I'm going to have to change the weapon I've given one of my Chaos Lords, although a viable alternative is not far away, which brings me on to my next point:
• Chaos Artefacts: Unique magic items for Chaos? Yes please, we'll have some of that! Might seem a bit cheesy to do this in the new edition of 40K but it's not going to be bad. Some of them are actually Daemon Weapons, and all of them confer particularly nasty consequences for those that find themselves on their business end - but most of them are not without their risks, meaning that they're unlikely to find themselves on the tournament circuit that counts on dependability.
• Vehicle Upgrades: I wasn't particularly happy with the fact that they've weakened Daemonic Possession by having to roll a 2+ for its benefit - ignoring Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results - to take effect, AND given the chance that a dedicated transport might start eating its own crew on a roll of a 1 as they embark or start the game. Granted if this happens it gets a hull point back, but losing a Chaos Space Marine of any kind is going to hurt. The benefit it is supposed to confer doesn't help all that much in 6th edition anyway since there are no Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results off a glancing hit anymore. Thankfully they have at least had the presence of mind to reduce the points cost, but I can see myself taking Destroyer Blades instead, which for what I intend for Rhinos at any rate look a lot more useful. And Havoc Launchers are now twin-linked, which may help a little.

4) Psychic Powers

The psychic powers in the new codex, and in 40K in general, is a lot more, how can I put this? Comprehensive. There's a lot more going on now with the different disciplines so it was never going to be the same, but most of the old spells are gone. This will upset a lot of the tournament players who liked to bum-rape units by grouping them together with Lash of Submission, then take a massive 5" template-sized shit on the unit. Gift of Chaos is gone as well, though I'm not particularly sorry about this because I never used it. Instead we've got several of the disciplines in the rulebook at our disposal, plus some tasty-looking spells in the Codex. I'm not going to go too deeply into specifics here because I'll be here all day but it looks like they've got an eclectic mix of functional powers and kick-ass lightning-bolt style spells.

One spell that was probably overpowered but I will nonetheless miss is Warptime. My Chaos Sorcerer has only participated in 1 battle so far, but being able to re-roll all my hits and misses pretty much won that battle for me.

Well that's it for me so far, I'll come back maybe later with more changes to the rules, perhapes when I've played a couple of games and had a chance to try them.

I'll see you next time...

My thoughts on the new Chaos Space Marines

So Games Workshop have hit me with another curveball; they're putting out the Chaos Space Marines ahead of everything else for the new edition of 40K. This was a bit of a surprise, I was convinced it was going to be Dark Angels, but there you go. With this and some shiny new models to build, there's no way I'm not going to have an opinion on this, so...

(Apologies once again; it's having a lot of difficulty uploading the photos...)

Chaos Space Marine Codex

My initial thoughts on this are a bit of a mixed bag. On the one hand it's about time Chaos Space Marines had an update; they haven't had one since 4th edition and were long overdue. On the other hand, as a returning player I'm not sure how I feel about all the new things that will be involved in it. We've got several new units out on release - more on them later - and even more stuff once the Dark Vengeance models go out on general release. I'm hoping they will, rather than being relegated to Deffkopta-style 'you must drop £60 on Dark Vengeance before you can use Cultists' spiel. But there's a lot of new stuff now, some of which I suspect is replacing old stuff. Which is great except that I've actually spent a load of money on old stuff that is potentially no longer relevant. I say potentially...

Here's the thing: Where GW seem to be going with all this is taking Chaos Space Marines in a new direction. It's no longer enough for them to be able to say "Like Space Marines... but bad guys," give them a couple of different units and put a couple of armies on the table that fight in a very similar way for the most part. No, they seem to want to take Chaos in a different direction entirely. Hence the Cultists. Hence the Maulerfiends and Heldrakes. They want Chaos to be their own, very distinctive force.

Now in some cases this is quite welcome. Take the Cultists, for example. One thing that I noticed Chaos Space Marines struggle with was numbers. Particularly armies that were based on a mark of the Chaos Gods, would number at full strength around 30 models. My Khorne army, when it's finished, will have 31 models in it. And what we find is that we just don't have the numbers to cope with things like Tryanids, who attack in hordes, and even things like Necrons, because losing even 1 Chaos Space Marine is going to hurt. It would be good to field an army in numbers.

They also have given them two huge models, the Maulerfiends and the Heldrakes. Having the biggest stuff in the game is not going to last, judging by the precedent of Warhammer, who seem to be trying to put out a bigger and better model every time they release a new army, and with Eldar and Tau surely not far away from an update, the idea that Heldrakes will dominate the skies in 40K due to it's sheer size will last at most a year. So I think this is setting a precendent for what is to come in the new edition of 40K.

Trouble is what about my current armies that have only got Chaos Space Marines in them? What are they going to do? I'm hoping for some updates to the rules that might complement the currently existing rules, but I'll have to read the codex to find that out. I just hope what I don't read is that the armies I have spent the past 4 years collecting have been made redundant.

I think for the first time I'm starting to see what the bitter veterans rant about when their game gets updated, and while I'm not going to take one look at the army book and write it off straight away, I can sort of see why people do. This isn't news to a great many people, but to me it is the first time I sat one iteration of a game out from start to finish so it is a new and not entirely welcome feeling...

Anyway, on to the models:

Maulerfiend/Forgefiend

I quite like these, actually. They look outlandish, as though they just about belong in the Chaos army, but painted up with the rest of the army with a similar colour scheme and it should look really good as a centrepiece for a much larger army.

Heldrake

These look to me like flying stained glass windows. Not that that's a bad thing, but they don't look very... durable. I don't think GW has had a concept of aerodynamics since the Valkyrie, so it looks somewhat unbalanced. It'll be the token flyer of the 40K game for Chaos, a set of rules which I have yet to experience to be honest so I'm not sure how it's all working. I think in terms of colours, the same thing applies as does to the Maulerfiend...

Raptors/Warp Talons

This are quite welcome! I've got some of the old Raptors, and while they don't look bad, the models do look a bit dated these days. I'm hoping these new Raptors will be easier to stand, for a start! Assault troops aren't that easy to come by in Chaos Space Marine armies; Raptors were metal and lacked the flexibility of some of the other models and Bikes aren't actually all that good anyway. I think with the advent of these models we should see some more Fast Attack orientated forces in an army sorely missing some speed...

Warpsmith

Well lookey here, they've gone and put Dr Octopus in 40K. Not sure what I think of this. I like the model and the concept of having someone to repair tanks is useful for Chaos Space Marines but I can't quite see what he's going to do on the battlefield that the Techmarine isn't already doing. That'll be a chapter to look forward to in the book; just what is this guy's deal?

Mutilators

Oh dear, there's always one. Sorry but I don't like these models at all, I think they're absolutely hideous. I think they look overly chunky and barely capable of moving, never mind performing CQC manuevres they're clearly purporting to be able to do. And that 'Flesh Stretched Over The Power Armour' thing they've got going on makes me feel physically ill just thinking about it; why would even a Chaos Space Marine do that to himself? I know these models were probably conceived as a close combat equivalent of the Obliterator design. Funnily enough, I never liked those models either.

All the other models are stuff that was out in Metal before and has now been updated for Finecast, with the exception of the Aspiring Champion who I'm pretty sure was in the Dark Vengeance boxed set.

So all in all, it's not looking too bad at all, and I could definitely come up with some army concepts from what is on display here. I just hope it's not going to be at the expense of the armies I already have...

Edit 24/9/2012

It's just come to my attention that Khorne Bezerkers and Plague Marines, plus the kits to make Thousand Sons and Noise Marines, are now in the Elite section of the Chaos Space Marine bit of the Games Workshop Website. That, to me, is a pretty strong indication that those models are going to be in the Elite section of the army list from now on.

This means 1 of 2 things:

1: We're going back to the old rules where those units were listed as Elites, but if your army was lead by a Chaos Lord with the appropriate mark then they would count as Troops. So if you took a Chaos Lord with the mark of Nurgle, Plague Marines would count as Troops, otherwise they would count as Elites.

2: They're going to be purely Elite choices.

I sincerely hope it's the former. It would fit in more with the background, I guess, and shut down or at least limit some of the more vomit-inducing tournament combos like 2 Daemon Princes with the mark of Slaanesh leading a force of Plagues Marines. Also I've got an army full of Khorne Bezerkers at the moment and I do NOT want to be told that I have to also take 2 units of Chaos Space Marines before the army is going to be legal.

We shal see...